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Indira IVF (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP. Routine corp news or WP:NEWSORGINDIA type of sources are not enough to pass WP:CORPDEPTH. Gheus (talk) 18:31, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Indira IVF meets WP:NCORP as a leading fertility clinic network in India with 150+ centers, significant media coverage (Economic Times, Livemint, VCCircle, Financial Express), and a $1.1 billion private equity acquisition (BPEA EQT). Its IPO plans, industry leadership, and national healthcare impact establish WP:CORPDEPTH. Coverage goes beyond routine news, highlighting business growth, societal influence, and medical advancements. MH-wiki2025 (talk) 19:01, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:ORGTRIV, routine funding rounds, M&As are not helpful. Gheus (talk) 19:05, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@MH-wiki2025:, this is the same argument in other deletion discussions of pages you created. I will again ask the same question....can you point out the specific references that meet WP:ORGCRIT?--CNMall41 (talk) 19:21, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bader Alomair (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There are plenty of sources that carry a fleeting mention of his involvement in some extradition cases but none which treat the subject in depth that would establish notability. BEFORE (in English) reveals much of the same. Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:22, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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KRQZ (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This station is a classic case of a rebroadcaster of national Christian radio networks, though it was recently sold from one to another. Unlike most, it once had some local programming, but the notability case is thin enough to suggest a redirect to ESNE Radio instead of the current content. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 01:59, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Any takers for the ATD?
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ANSER (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is an article on a particularly important company, however, it has languished for eight years with only two marginal sources, a situation faced by many B2B and B2G firms. Unfortunately, a thorough WP:BEFORE search fails to find anything that could redeem it, however, this may be frustrated a bit by the non-unique name. I would particularly welcome anyone who can salvage this article and will happily withdraw this nomination if someone can but, I'm afraid, from where I'm sitting right now -- having exhausted a variety of avenues -- deletion is the only realistic outcome. Fails WP:GNG. Chetsford (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Leaning keep, or move to draft. I was able to find a reasonable tertiary source (talking more about the president of the entity than the entity itself, but still supporting its history and notability) without too much difficulty on Newspapers.com, which returns enough hits to suggest that sufficient sourcing exists. BD2412 T 17:54, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also returned a lot of hits on newspapers.com. When I started to read individual articles, however, they were on things that were not this company. Chetsford (talk) 17:50, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While I would love for us to have a policy or guideline called "Chetsford said it's important", as of now my subjective belief of a person or thing's importance using personal criteria of importance, unfortunately, do not trump our standards to determine WP:N. Perhaps one day that will change. Chetsford (talk) 17:50, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Royce Cronin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Completely unreferenced article about an actor. As always, actors are not automatically entitled to Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on third-party media coverage about them and their performances -- but this cites no references at all, and is written in a semi-advertorialized tone that's not complying with WP:NPOV.
As he's a British actor whose strongest claims to potentially passing NACTOR are television roles from 20 years ago, I'm willing to withdraw this if a British editor with better access to archived UK media coverage from the noughts can find enough GNG-worthy sourcing to salvage it, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to have any referencing. Bearcat (talk) 18:03, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

James Garcia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I've declined a speedy deletion request as this isn't substantially identical (or even similar) to the version that was deleted at AfD last year. However, none of the previously raised concerns appear to have been addressed—this is still sourced exclusively to routine coverage in databases, with no indication of significant coverage (by Wikipedia's definition of the term).  ‑ Iridescent 17:39, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Ode-to-Napoleon" hexachord (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article is poorly written and the citations do not verify the existence of an "'Ode to Napoleon' hexachord". Trumpetrep (talk) 17:16, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Looking at the Friedmann 1990 book, the very first source cross-referenced by the article body, I find on page 113:

    This hexachord, called by some the "magic" hexachord, is used in Schoenberg's Ode to Napoleon Bonaparte.

    Similarly, the Straus 2005 book does call (014589) "the hexatonic collection" on page 97 and then proceed to have a section about the hexatonic collection on page 149. Then some quick searching to find something not cited by the article turns up Richard Cohn's Audacious Euphony which says in a footnote to "a hexatonic scale, alternating semitone and minor third" on page 20:

    Jazz players know the same pattern as the augmented scale, […] It has also been referred to variously as the Ode to Napoleon collection, Miracle hexachord, Liszt model, source-set E, 1:3 collection, and set class 6–20.

    All these certainly seem like a lot of verification of the existence of this. Uncle G (talk) 19:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Taxi Maxim (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No indication of importance No source was found either within the article or outside the article that meet notability. According to Wikipedia's notability guidelines (WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV), a subject must receive significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources to merit an article. All sources used herein are not secondary and do not comply with Wikipedia rules WP:ORGTRIV WP:SECONDARY. Wikipedia is not a promotional medium. Self-promotion, product placement, press releases, branding campaigns, advertisements, and paid material are not valid routes to an encyclopedia article. Information that a company has started operating in a particular country is still not proof of notability, since it is not a measure of the attention the company has received as well (WP:SPIP). By not deleting this article, Wikipedia risks breaching its own policies designed to maintain the quality and reliability of its content. Therefore, I recommend that the article be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Segovia Ar (talkcontribs) 06:43, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Almir Badnjević (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NPROF. Associate/assistant professors are rarely notable [1] and his research impact is not very high [2]. Fails WP:GNG as well. Gheus (talk) 16:39, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hany Rashwan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. None of the cited articles are directly about him. Gheus (talk) 16:28, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chinnakannan Sivasankaran (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. There are a lot of WP:NEWSORGINDIA type of sources, web desk reports. Lacks high-quality in-depth sources. The companies he founded are notable but notability cannot be WP:INHERITED. Gheus (talk) 15:59, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Frantz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This page doesn't reach WP:NACADEMIC, nor other notability criteria. The facts aren't in dispute, as Frantz is doubtless one of the main clinical contributors to a range of clinical trials. No named chair; impact of research is minimal (Scopus H-index 13), and that is obtained almost exclusively from mid-author publications. The most cited of their 1st-author publications seems to be Franz et al, 1989 (American Journal of Ophthalmology, 1989, 108(5), pp. 524–528), with 26 citations. The English is clear; the references are clear, and the article creator has declared the nature of their contact with Frantz in an edit summary here. Klbrain (talk) 15:51, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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    Keep – Meets WP:NACADEMIC and WP:GNG Notability Criteria  
    Hi! While this at times has been frustrating, I do want to thank you for your diligence in keeping Wikipedia free of spam and promotional content and making sure entries meet rigorous standards. That said, I’d like to emphasize the sheer scale of Dr. Frantz’s contributions. I believe this case merits closer consideration. Not trying to be hyperbolic, but LASIK is one of the most transformative medical advancements in history, shifting vision correction from a lifelong dependency on glasses to a permanent solution for tens of millions all over the world.  
    I will also present an academic argument against the criticism about being a mid-tier author.
    Before excimer laser research, there was no surgical way to correct nearsightedness, farsightedness, or astigmatism—now, it is the most common elective surgery globally.  
    One of the critiques of this article is “minimal impact.” That couldn't be further from the truth. The research behind excimer laser technology laid the foundation for LASIK, and Dr. Jonathan Frantz was directly involved in those early FDA trials that helped bring it to market. His contributions weren’t theoretical—they were part of the regulatory approval process that turned laser vision correction into mainstream medicine.  
    Dr. Jonathan Frantz meets Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for academics and medical professionals (WP:NACADEMIC) and the general notability guideline (WP:GNG). The deletion rationale states that his research impact is minimal, but this does not account for his significant role in the development and FDA approval of laser vision correction, a transformative advancement in ophthalmology and modern medicine.  
    == Major Contributions to Ophthalmology & FDA-Approved Treatments ==  
    Dr. Frantz was a principal investigator in clinical trials that contributed to FDA approvals for major ophthalmic treatments, including excimer laser technology (LASIK/PRK) and glaucoma drug Lumigan (bimatoprost).  
    His early excimer laser research in the 1980s laid the foundation for what became the most common vision correction surgery worldwide, with millions of procedures performed annually.  
    His clinical trial leadership is documented in peer-reviewed journals such as Ophthalmology, Archives of Ophthalmology, and Investigative Ophthalmology & Visual Science.  
    == Addressing the "Mid-Author" Criticism ==
    A critique has been raised regarding Dr. Frantz’s role as a mid-author in publications. However, it is important to recognize how authorship in medical research is structured. In academic institutions, attending physicians—who are responsible for maintaining tenureship and securing funding—are required to take first authorship on studies, even when much of the research and writing is done by fellows, residents, and junior researchers. This is standard practice across academic medicine and does not diminish the contributions of those in secondary author positions. In fact, fellows and researchers at this stage are typically responsible for the majority of the hands-on research, data analysis, and drafting of papers. The fact that Frantz appears as a named author in major peer-reviewed journals demonstrates his active participation in high-level clinical research, even if he is not always listed as the first author. Dismissing his contributions based solely on authorship order misrepresents how medical and scientific research operates.
    == Peer-Reviewed Citations & Research Impact ==  
    While it is noted that many of his citations are mid-author, Frantz has also co-authored first-author studies on FDA-approved treatments and has been widely cited in refractive surgery research.  
    His published works contributed to clinical studies that helped validate PRK, LASIK, and advanced intraocular lenses.  
    His research appears in top-tier medical journals with dozens of citations, demonstrating lasting academic influence.  
    == Independent Media Coverage Establishes GNG Notability ==  
    WINK News (CBS affiliate) featured Dr. Frantz in 2019 as the first surgeon in Southwest Florida to implant the newly FDA-approved PanOptix trifocal intraocular lens for cataract patients.[1]  
    The Naples Daily News reported on his introduction of the VERION image-guided cataract surgery system.[2]  
    He has been featured in trade publications such as Ophthalmology Management and EyeWorld, which are independent industry sources.[3]  
    == Meets WP:NACADEMIC via Clinical Research & Institutional Recognition ==  
    Frantz has led NIH-sponsored research and presented at major medical conferences, including the Association for Research in Vision and Ophthalmology (ARVO).  
    His work has been cited in national-level clinical studies that shaped current refractive surgery techniques.  
    He has received industry-recognized awards, including the American Academy of Ophthalmology Achievement Award and being listed among America’s Top Ophthalmologists by independent rankings.  
    == Conclusion ==  
    Dr. Frantz’s contributions to ophthalmology meet both WP:NACADEMIC and WP:GNG standards. His pivotal role in developing FDA-approved eye treatments, extensive peer-reviewed publications, and independent media coverage confirm his lasting impact in the field.  
    This is a case where the subject’s contributions to medical science, rather than pure citation metrics, establish notability. I also have presented the argument against the criticism about being a mid-tier author. If any specific sections are seen as non-encyclopedic or promotional, I am happy to review and refine them to align with Wikipedia’s guidelines. Editora89119 (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have some sympathy with those who publish academic work but are not based in a university. It seems to me that we provide a record for posterity of quite a lot of very nondescript professors who've got themselves into a named chair and merely sat in it doing a bit of teaching, while academics who move out into industry and health care can influence lives dramatically, publish, and still be considered unworthy of a record here. Unfortunately I can't justify keeping Frantz based on Wikipedia's policies, but his article is a better read than those of quite a few distinguished chief editors who've done no notable research. Elemimele (talk) 17:33, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Elemimele:
    You comments are thoughtful and helpful because I believe there is a larger concern at play.
    If Wikipedia is now biased against private practices, that will have a chilling effect, greatly limiting the information available on Wikipedia and in fact making it an irrelevant source of information. Medical advancements and innovations often come from practitioners who are outside of traditional university systems, and excluding them from documentation would create an incomplete and skewed representation of history.
    You raise an important issue about how Wikipedia determines notability for medical professionals outside of traditional academia. Dr. Frantz’s case is exactly that—his influence has been clinical, research-based, and regulatory, rather than tied to a university professorship.
    While I respect the concern that Wikipedia's policies lean toward academic tenure as a qualifier, I’d like to emphasize that Frantz’s contributions meet the standard of significant impact in medicine. He played a direct role in clinical trials leading to FDA approvals for laser vision correction (LASIK/PRK) and glaucoma treatments, both of which have transformed millions of lives. His work appears in peer-reviewed journals, has been cited in further ophthalmic research, and has been featured in independent media, all of which demonstrate broad recognition beyond his private practice.
    I understand the need to apply Wikipedia’s policies consistently, but WP:NACADEMIC explicitly includes individuals who have made significant research contributions and whose work has been cited as significant within their field—a standard that Dr. Frantz meets. Additionally, WP:GNG (General Notability Guideline) does not require university affiliation, only significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, which has been provided.
    If you believe there are ways to better structure the article to focus on its strongest encyclopedic elements, I’d welcome any suggestions. The goal is not promotion, but to ensure that Wikipedia reflects the full scope of notable contributions to modern medicine—including those that happen outside of academia.
    Thanks again for your perspective! Editora89119 (talk) 18:46, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – Meets WP:NACADEMIC and WP:GNG Notability Criteria  
Hi! While this at times has been frustrating, I do want to thank you for your diligence in keeping Wikipedia free of spam and promotional content and making sure entries meet rigorous standards. That said, I’d like to emphasize the sheer scale of Dr. Frantz’s contributions. I believe this case merits closer consideration. Not trying to be hyperbolic, but LASIK is one of the most transformative medical advancements in history, shifting vision correction from a lifelong dependency on glasses to a permanent solution for tens of millions all over the world.  
I will also present an academic argument against the criticism about being a mid-tier author.
Before excimer laser research, there was no surgical way to correct nearsightedness, farsightedness, or astigmatism—now, it is the most common elective surgery globally.  
One of the critiques of this article is “minimal impact.” That couldn't be further from the truth. The research behind excimer laser technology laid the foundation for LASIK, and Dr. Jonathan Frantz was directly involved in those early FDA trials that helped bring it to market. His contributions weren’t theoretical—they were part of the regulatory approval process that turned laser vision correction into mainstream medicine.  
Dr. Jonathan Frantz meets Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for academics and medical professionals (WP:NACADEMIC) and the general notability guideline (WP:GNG). The deletion rationale states that his research impact is minimal, but this does not account for his significant role in the development and FDA approval of laser vision correction, a transformative advancement in ophthalmology and modern medicine.  
== Major Contributions to Ophthalmology & FDA-Approved Treatments ==  
Dr. Frantz was a principal investigator in clinical trials that contributed to FDA approvals for major ophthalmic treatments, including excimer laser technology (LASIK/PRK) and glaucoma drug Lumigan (bimatoprost).  
His early excimer laser research in the 1980s laid the foundation for what became the most common vision correction surgery worldwide, with millions of procedures performed annually.  
His clinical trial leadership is documented in peer-reviewed journals such as Ophthalmology, Archives of Ophthalmology, and Investigative Ophthalmology & Visual Science.  
== Addressing the "Mid-Author" Criticism ==
A critique has been raised regarding Dr. Frantz’s role as a mid-author in publications. However, it is important to recognize how authorship in medical research is structured. In academic institutions, attending physicians—who are responsible for maintaining tenureship and securing funding—are required to take first authorship on studies, even when much of the research and writing is done by fellows, residents, and junior researchers. This is standard practice across academic medicine and does not diminish the contributions of those in secondary author positions. In fact, fellows and researchers at this stage are typically responsible for the majority of the hands-on research, data analysis, and drafting of papers. The fact that Frantz appears as a named author in major peer-reviewed journals demonstrates his active participation in high-level clinical research, even if he is not always listed as the first author. Dismissing his contributions based solely on authorship order misrepresents how medical and scientific research operates.
== Peer-Reviewed Citations & Research Impact ==  
While it is noted that many of his citations are mid-author, Frantz has also co-authored first-author studies on FDA-approved treatments and has been widely cited in refractive surgery research.  
His published works contributed to clinical studies that helped validate PRK, LASIK, and advanced intraocular lenses.  
His research appears in top-tier medical journals with dozens of citations, demonstrating lasting academic influence.  
== Independent Media Coverage Establishes GNG Notability ==  
WINK News (CBS affiliate) featured Dr. Frantz in 2019 as the first surgeon in Southwest Florida to implant the newly FDA-approved PanOptix trifocal intraocular lens for cataract patients.[4]  
The Naples Daily News reported on his introduction of the VERION image-guided cataract surgery system.[5]  
He has been featured in trade publications such as Ophthalmology Management and EyeWorld, which are independent industry sources.[6]  
== Meets WP:NACADEMIC via Clinical Research & Institutional Recognition ==  
Frantz has led NIH-sponsored research and presented at major medical conferences, including the Association for Research in Vision and Ophthalmology (ARVO).  
His work has been cited in national-level clinical studies that shaped current refractive surgery techniques.  
He has received industry-recognized awards, including the American Academy of Ophthalmology Achievement Award and being listed among America’s Top Ophthalmologists by independent rankings.  
== Conclusion ==  
Dr. Frantz’s contributions to ophthalmology meet both WP:NACADEMIC and WP:GNG standards. His pivotal role in developing FDA-approved eye treatments, extensive peer-reviewed publications, and independent media coverage confirm his lasting impact in the field.  
This is a case where the subject’s contributions to medical science, rather than pure citation metrics, establish notability. I also have presented the argument against the criticism about being a mid-tier author. If any specific sections are seen as non-encyclopedic or promotional, I am happy to review and refine them to align with Wikipedia’s guidelines. Editora89119 (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Suicidal-Idol (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Sources are almost entirely user-generated content, self-published, or non-independent. Few to no sources to establish independent notability of artist. Will include source analysis below. benǝʇᴉɯ 20:08, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User-generated content:
3: Fan-made video about Suicidal-Idol, also doesn't cite any sources
6, 8, 12, 25, 35: Genius links for someone named FabFantasy, two Suicidal-Idol songs, and tour dates
13: Songfacts page about her song "Ecstacy"
26: Setlist.fm page for user-uploaded concert setlists
Self-published:
21: YouTube vlog, seemingly posted by Suicidal-Idol about her own concert
9, 10, 40: Spotify links for Suicidal-Idol's songs
14: SoundCloud link for "Ecstacy" remix
16, 17, 18, 19, 24: Apple Music links for remixes of "Ecstacy" and her song "Tell Me That U Love Me"
Non-independent:
1, 4, 5, 7: Identical bios initially posted by her touring company and reproduced on several sites
22, 23, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34: Concert pages and flyers on venue/touring websites and on Instagram + no additional info on Suicidal-Idol
Primary source:
2: Bizapedia page about "Suicidal Idol LLC", formed in 2023
Passing mentions:
15: Daily Dot article about TikTok trend using "Ecstacy", only includes one sentence mentioning her (On July 17, 2023, SUICIDAL-IDOL shared their track, “ecstasy.” The lyrics include the now trendy phrase.)
20: College radio station's review of Snow Strippers concert where Suicidal-Idol also performed (SUICIDAL-IDOL, a project by dance/electronic musician Alupe Tolentino, started out strong with glitchy energy that seemed reminiscent of 100gecs. Their last song "ecstasy", an infamous TikTok audio, prompted Tolentino to hype up the formerly listless audience ("Time to get your phones out for this one!"). Even then, I could only see a third of the crowd following through.) benǝʇᴉɯ 20:35, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Billboard: SUICIDAL-IDOL's "Ecstasy" reaches a new peak, jumping into the top 10 for the first time at No. 3.
Switched on Pop: We don't really know who this person is. It's an artist who has used the name gore.x.shawty and Heartfelt and is currently going by Suicidal-Idol. They have a song called "Ecstacy" which was originally released in July of 2021 but just went viral on TikTok in 2023, especially with the slowed-down remix of the song.
Official Charts: Earning their first Top 40 entry today are Suicidal-Idol on their viral debut track Ecstasy (33) ...
Polygon: On Oct. 2, a humor account with the handle homestucklover398 shared a video where a young boyish voice sang a parody of the 2022 song "ecstacy" by Suicidal-Idol. The video and sound became an overnight hit on TikTok, where people reacted to the seemingly nonsensical lyrics of the song.
Looking at this now, it might make more sense to merge this into the page for "Ecstacy", but I'll wait to see what others think. benǝʇᴉɯ 20:51, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Removed most of the citations. EternalBaile (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added reliable sources, removed user-generated content, self-published, or non-independent citations. EternalBaile (talk) 00:18, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With other sources gone, Suicidal-Idol's career section is now entirely about "Ecstacy", except for the first sentence which is still sourced to a Genius page. Also, other than the sources I listed above, the additions are mostly still unreliable sources. Know Your Meme is user-generated content, Distractify is considered generally unreliable, and RateYourMusic is deprecated. benǝʇᴉɯ 06:11, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge into Ecstacy. Person is notable, but insufficient citations. If @EternalBaile's references are alright, then Keep. (Acer's userpage |what did I do now) 00:20, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirecting a musician to one of their songs or albums is uncommon in Wikipedia history because if one of the releases is notable, the musician is typically notable for that reason. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:06, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Despite some comments above, the article (as I type this) still has a bunch of unreliable sources. For actual reliable sources on this musician, I don't think they are only about "Ecstacy" and even if they were it wouldn't matter. The musician satisfies criterion #2 at WP:NMUSICIAN: "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." They also have a sales certification from RIAA. Admittedly there is little to work with because the musician is relatively new to the scene, but for now there is enough for stub article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep whether or not the sources in the article are reliable, the subject meets WP:SINGER by having a song chart in several countries - and since that is supported by reliable sources, there is no grounds for this article to be deleted. jolielover♥talk 05:50, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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This page is just a dictionary entry, and doesn't cover any ground not covered by Literature. It was created as a stub in 2005 and remained unexpanded for a year before being converted into a redirect. It stayed a redirect for almost 20 years before @Piotrus changed it back into a stub. Except for some category maintenance, it hasn't been expanded. It needs to go back to being a redirect. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]


  • I think it is possible to expand the article. And clearly some of you would be amazed at the amount that the world has written trying to define what a work is, and having wild disagreements with one another to the extent that they don't even agree about abstractions. literary work is to literature as work of art is to art and musical work is to music, to put it somewhat simplistically. Moreover there are several other definitions of literature (e.g. scientific literature, or the literature of a particular country or language) that do not apply to literary works; which our literature article is truly terrible at explaining, making it seem like they are the same thing to people who haven't read (for starters) Raymond Williams, Peter Lamarque, or Nie Zhenzhao on the subject. Uncle G (talk) 21:48, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If it's expandable, then somebody would have expanded it by now. Find something, anything, to say about "literary work" that isn't redundant with "literature". Even one sentence would be enough to make your case. But if you can't write that one sentence, why even argue for saving the article? Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 23:45, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First, it existed only for a few weeks (as a stub). Second, a lot of very notable but a bit abstract concepts don't have Wikipedia articles yet. Third, you are conviniently ignoring the fact that a dozen+ wikipedias are prefectly happy to have articles on this (and literature), and nobody there is seeing the need to merge or delete them. Fourth, it seems Uncle G is expanding this right now. Please do take a picture of you WP:TROUTing yourself. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:29, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please keep your comments civil. If you can't be bothered, I can't be bothered to engage with you. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 11:54, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This was a joke, please. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 20:27, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If my last comment was a bit off, sorry. That said, I believe WP:TROUT applies to this nom. As well as a failure of carrying out a WP:BEFORE, or even reviewing the refs present in the article at the time it was nominated, each of which deals with the concept of "literary work" in a way that clearly meets WP:SIGCOV. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:51, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I make my share of silly mistakes on Wikipedia. But not this time. I took care to describe how this stub went unexpanded for a whole year, spent 20 years as a redirect, then another four months as an unexpanded stub. You chose to ignore all that and make fun of me. I'm not going to engage with you further. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 12:15, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since in your post above you contradict yourself, treating four months as an entire year - yeah, I don't think there's much else I can say except what I already did. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:57, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - User:Uncle G has now expanded the article and its potential has become evident. My concern is that the article, due to the possible arguments about its scope, might become a magnet for controversy and use up editor time unproductively. If we follow Peter Lamarque, this page might have a solid topic but how many people follow Lamarque? EdJohnston (talk) 16:03, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think this discussion would benefit from a brief summary of what content might belong here but would not belong at the literature article. It would make it easier to make an informed decision about the merits of having a stand-alone article on the topic "literary work" (i.e. make a WP:PAGEDECIDE call). TompaDompa (talk) 19:24, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @TompaDompa, could this be it? Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 05:17, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    That's why I'm asking. "The article can be expanded with this" is a partial answer, so to speak—are there other things it could also be expanded with? Or contrarily, could that instead be covered in the other article? TompaDompa (talk) 06:19, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically, literary work is a subset of a broader concept of literature (just like, let's say, science fiction film is a subtopic of science fiction). Here, we can discuss some topics (related to what is or isn't literary work, what are their characteristics, etc.) more broadly. For example, the idea that most scientific work is not literary work - encyclopedic nugget of information that does not need to be present in article on literature. And various other things mentioned in the article here, not mentioned in literature. Up to an including various definitions and disagreements regarding the very concept of literary work, which Uncle G discusses in his write up - important stuff that has little need of being merged or discussed extensively in article on literature (where at best a brief summary of this can be included). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:49, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    My answer below, as to "other things it could also be expanded with", would be "an additional thousand years of arguing about what is and is not a literary work," for which I can particularly think of material from the 18thC and the 1920s. (Also some material on whether letter collections are literary works.) In addition to adding sections on specific periods/debates, I think that would also lend itself to a section on commonly-cited characteristics of literary works, e.g., complex or elevated language; moral improvement of readers; non-commercial or non-political content; etc. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:11, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Ignore all rules for the bigger picture. I'm absolutely certain that our core readership - secondary school and college students - will be looking for this article. Bearian (talk) 16:04, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As the current state of the article now shows, there is a large and somewhat exhausting body of scholarship debating what constitutes a "literary" "work". Getting into the details of this definition at literature would weigh that article down, as it is tasked with the already-large problem of summarizing everything else about literature. I think it would be useful to treat this as a spin-out of the current "Definitions" section at literature; accomplishing that effectively would expand literary work even further with a longer historical overview of these debates, since they didn't begin in the 20thC. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:06, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Salman (myth) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article – an ORPHAN'd stub – has existed for nearly 20 years, and as far as I can tell, during this time it has not had a single reliable source to support its contents. Put simply I don't think this deity is even real – the only source it has right now doesn't mention it at all, and is used to source the existence of another deity that the article claims it might be related to – again, with no source. This might be a WP:HOAX record! Sinclairian (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment original source was https://web.archive.org/web/20160304193127/https://pantheon.org/articles/s/salman.html (blacklisted) "Salman" entry in Encyclopedia Mythica, since removed. Article content seems to confuse Shalman (deity), Shalman (Bible) and Shulmanu. fiveby(zero) 17:44, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    As well as Shalim, based on the Solomon claim. Sinclairian (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    How's your German? Salman appears to be from inscriptions found at Dadan:
    • Höfner M. (1970). Die Religionen Altsyriens, Altarabiens und der Mandaer. p. 372. SLMN (Salmän)... cited by Dictionary of deities and demons in the Bible DDD our only reference.
    • del Carmen Hidalgo-Chacón Díez, Maria (2016). "The Divine Names at Dadan: A Philological Approach". Proceedings of the Seminar for Arabian Studies. 46: 127–8. JSTOR 45163422.
    • Höfner M. (1965). "Salmän". Götter und Mythen im Vorderen Orient.
    Pretty confusing but maybe a redirect to Shalim? fiveby(zero) 19:20, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Yep, the sources are referring to Shalim, not some god named "Salman". Sinclairian (talk) 20:40, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Höfner in any case does refer to a god under the name of "Salmān". So there's that, even though I don't get yet if that may be the same god as Shalim. Höfner refers back to yet another source on the topic:
    Caskel, Werner. Lihyan und Lihyanisch. pp. 46, 48–49, 58.
    Thanks for Caskel, i'll try to find a full copy. I'm wondering how Šulmán from William F. Albright (JSTOR 41662002) and S/Šalmänu from Karen Radner (both seemingly covered in the Shulmanu article) are related to our S/Šalmän. Šalmän and Šulmán are described as Syro-Mesopotamian (Becking does cite Albright but not very clear) and Šalmänu described as Akkadian (one source clearly discussing our Šalmän cites Radner.) I don't know if i'm reading the sources correctly or maybe our sources just cannot be definitive as to how they are related. fiveby(zero) 18:46, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep After following the citations. Becking's 'Shalman' entry is a valid reference, same deity, it is just his particular choice of romanization. Maria Höfner from above has: "Salmän (Šalmän)", S with caron (see del Carmen Hidalgo-Chacón Díez above Figure 4 and "in Dadanitic, the reflex of the Proto-Semitic */š/ and */s/ was pronounced [ʃ]". There probably won't ever be much content, just a list of attestations. I'll add sources to the article. Should probably move back to Salman (deity) tho. fiveby(zero) 06:25, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. To my (pretty limited) understanding of the Near East, the Reallexikon der Assyriologie und Vorderasiatischen Archäologie is a bit like what Brill's New Pauly is for Greece. Radner's article in the RIA seemingly discusses this figure, and her 1998 work "Der Gott Salmānu („Šulmānu”) und seine Beziehung zur Stadt Dūr-Katlimmu" seems to be devoted to the matter. Seeing as this 1998 paper cites Becking's article in the DDD, they would all seem to be speaking about the same deity. Höfner is cited by Becking, and the two are clearly talking about the same figure. That would mean that, seemingly, we have around half a dozen sources, at least one of which is very detailed; so, there's enough for an article of some form.
As to Shulmanu, looking at the relevant part of the linked source (pp. 388–389), their use of Radner 1998 in discussing the figure means that the two are talking about the same deity, and so (assuming that Radner 1998 and Becking are indeed referring to the same figure) I think all of the sources here are discussing the same figure. If this is indeed the case, Shulmanu should probably be merged here (as I think "Salman" is the more common name, though "Salmanu" would perhaps be best?). – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:39, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Radner cites Becking to say the connection is uncertain and unlikely in her opinion:

Whether Salmānu is to be identified with s/šlmn in Old South Arabic texts, šlmn in Ugaritic texts and (ršp)-šl/rmn in an Egyptian votive stele of the 20th and 21st dynasty[citing Becking] is uncertain and irrelevant to our discussion. However, I consider a connection to be rather unlikely.[also see fn 26 on "extremely speculative attempts to connect to Solomon and Jerusalem]

also:

Following up the aforementioned hypothesis of a pre-Islamic origin for these Arabic names, it makes sense to relate them to theophoric anthroponyms with this Semitic root. Two pertinent deities in the ancient Near Eastern pantheon are the Syro-Mesopotamian god Sulmän (cf. Albright1 932) and the Canaanite deity Salim. The deity S/Šalmän "is attested in Hatra, Palmyra and in North and South Arabian texts" (Becking 1 999 :758). Höfner & Merkel ( 1 965 : 466f.) portray him as a horseman ' s deity; the name form recalls Akkadian Sulmänu.

— Borg, Alexander (2001). "The Enigma of SLM Personal Names among the Bedouin in Sinai and the Negev". Mediterranean Language Review. 13: 175–193. JSTOR medilangrevi.13.2001.0175.
I think that's enough to say Cannanite Salim, Syro-Mesopotamian S/Šalmän and Akkadian S/Šalmänu should be clearly different topics. Still unsure about Šulmán. fiveby(zero) 18:13, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I did see that... I think my confusion arose from the fact that the Mesopotamian Šulmānu is the same figure as the Aramaic and Hebrew šlmn, just – in Radner's view, at least – not the Ugaritic šlmn (figures with the same name, both Northwest Semitic, but apparently separate...). Becking does also note that there are scholars who have seen the Ugaritic and Egyptian figures as being Shulman, though he only cites Albright for this view (who is presumably out of date), leaving it unclear as to who else (if anyone else) might have been of this opinion.
As to Šulmānu and Šalmānu, the latter is the Assyrian name for the former (that is, the two are the same figure). So there would seem to be two figures here – Šalmānu and S/Šalmän – who are (at least in Radner's view, and I think we can trust her) separate. Timm, I notice, is a little more agnostic on the matter, stating that the Egyptian name might refer to our deity here or to the Akkadian god, and saying that the former may have been widespread already by the Canaanite period. Whatever the case, it's probably sensible to keep the two pages separate, discussing the attestation of our deity here from the Middle Assyrian period through to the Roman/Byzantine era, and moving the page on Shulmanu to a better title; then the degree to which the two are separate can be discussed appropriately at each article. – Michael Aurel (talk) 06:43, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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List of tallest buildings in the European Union (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Previously deleted a year ago; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in the European Union. Those reasons for deleting it still apply. Brian Kendig (talk) 22:43, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article stood for over a decade. The European Union is a sui generis federative superstate and as such I find it reasonable to have a separate list for buildings on its territory, seeing it as a near parallel to List of tallest buildings in the United States. Therefore this isn't a redundancy with List of tallest buildings in Europe just as List of tallest buildings in the United States isn't redundant with List of tallest buildings in North America. A continent's a continent, and a polity's a polity. Chick Pea Corea (talk) 23:20, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For clarity, is your position that the situation has changed since the previous AfD or that the previous AfD got it wrong? TompaDompa (talk) 00:40, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the previous AfD got it wrong and not enough users got a chance to voice their opinion. The article has been on Wikipedia since 2007... It's no good to delete it with 4 votes just like that Chick Pea Corea (talk) 01:26, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. I have found several sources discussing the tallest EU buildings as a group but the notable thing is that there are so few tall buildings.[3][4][5] However there is no requirement for external discussion of the topic as a group - this is only one possible criterion. The relisting comment immediately above shows a slight misunderstanding of WP:NLIST which actually says One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. It does not say that this is the only accepted reason. Thincat (talk) 18:23, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Soft support (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The sources on the page do not give significant coverage to the concept of soft support, mentioning it in passing as part of another topic. The article as it stands is completely WP:OR, and searching online sources has also only revealed mentions of the topic in academic articles on other situations rather then significant coverage of the concept itself. Per WP:NOTADICTIONARY, deletion is due. Boynamedsue (talk) 12:32, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No problem with that outcome, but I would say merge without transferring anything over. The article as it stands is an OR essay.Boynamedsue (talk) 15:47, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I agree that there is no content in the current article worth merging. Considering whether a redirect is appropriate, but not convinced Swing vote is the right target either. It doesn't always equate to swing voters. It can just be an indication of degree of support, and is also sometimes used to mean "apathy". Cielquiparle (talk) 19:10, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lonestar Shootout 2022 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No notable pro wrestling event. Most sources are just WP:ROUTINE coverage, no coverage after the show to prove notability. Searching for sources, it doesn't look like the event had coverage after [6] HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:07, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Declaration of Power (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No notable pro wrestling event. Most sources are just WP:ROUTINE coverage, no coverage after the show to prove notability. Searching for sources, it doesn't look like the event had coverage after [7] HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:07, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

OceanVeil (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article is about a streaming service which started five days ago. I see no applied sources directly detailing, merely sources which make predictions. A reasonable BEFORE finds nothing in English which makes this any more notable than another web product. BusterD (talk) 11:41, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lawrence C. Marsh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG & Wp:nprof Sabirkir (talk) 11:18, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Rizvi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Draft on this subject was declined multiple times due to lack of notability. Since it was still under process of improvisation, editor has blanked the draft and moved the article into main space. Article doesn't meet BLP criteria. Rahmatula786 (talk) 10:37, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of tallest buildings in the Balkans (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Clearly WP:OR. The "Balkans" are not a clearly defined region, and no source covers any of this material as a concept. SportingFlyer T·C 10:28, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SWBC (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP. Article created by seemingly WP:SPA and has been tagged for notability issues for years.

From what I can see ignoring press releases, the remaining coverage doesn't meet WP:ORGCRITE. Routine stuff like hiring/firing news, reporting some acquisitions without further details , the company getting a rating or some non-notable award etc. There is some coverage on employment lawsuits but the focus is on the lawsuits rather than the company and per WP:ILLCON cannot be used to establish notability. Imcdc Contact 08:34, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Vibe coding (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article is based on only a handful of sources, primarily on a single tweet by the person who invented the term a month ago, or articles that regurgitate the tweet (like the Times of India article cited 5 times in the article). This is not notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Also, this article has been a target for blogspam promoters and advertising of LLM products. Of the seven references, two are unreliable (WP:RSPTWITTER and WP:FORBESCON), and there are doubts about the reliability of WP:TIMESOFINDIA. Kwpolska (spam me/contributions) 10:17, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, regarding the claim of "only a single tweet", that unfortunately how tech trends go. To bring up a similar(ish) example, DOM clobbering, started out as a term used by a WP:SME in a blogpost before it started being used by almost everyone in browser security. I see this case as being similar, AI coding is not a new thing or a new concept, a notable WP:SME, (Karpathy) has called that not-new-thing "vibe coding" and the rest of the industry has run with it. That does not invalidate the fact that the concept is notable and a article is still needed about the topic regardless of what we want to call it. Sohom (talk) 15:36, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Keep. Four news articles directly focused on vibe coding written by staff journalists in sources listed as WP:GREL on WP:RSP: Ars Technica (x2, AI section), New York Times (Tech section of News, not op-ed), The Observer (News not Opinion). With these sources alone the article has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and thus satisfies WP:GNG. If the article has been a target of blogspam or advertising, that's not a reason for deletion as we can remove the offending material.AndyGordon (talk) 16:07, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Break Night (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable film per WP:NFF, lacking significant coverage by independent reliable sources BOVINEBOY2008 09:44, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've improved the article - have added other references. It was an early film from Joel Souza who is a filmmaker worth noting especially after the "Rust" tragedy". It had name actors, at leat in the leads. The film is commercially released on Amazon and on Tubi, I feel this makes it notable enough for an entry. Britfilm (talk) 10:12, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The sources you added, only one might be considered significant coverage. The others only mention the film in passing. The film does not inherit notability because of the people involved. BOVINEBOY2008 10:15, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Marilyn Atkinson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Biography that doesn't meet WP:GNG. Most references are either self published (via Erickson Coaching Int., paid advertising = BC Business) or lack WP:SIGCOV. Article may have also been self-published or originally edited by someone associated with the aforementioned company. Epluribusunumyall (talk) 09:02, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Damodar Sharma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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On a WP:BEFORE search i didnt found any reliable source, fails WP:GNG as well as WP:SIGCOV. All references used in this biography are dead urls and being a vice chancellor doesn't inherit notability without coverage in the Secondary sources. Also he don’t have any prestigious award or high research career to gain notability. Fails WP:NACADEMIC TheSlumPanda (talk) 08:03, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luca Manolache (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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While his death is tragic, he himself fails notability. Played only one game at the top level of Romanian football, while coverage is only of his death and career statistics. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 16:47, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would consider Liga II as national level as well, it is fully professional. From my POV he was considered a full fledged professional player starting with the 2023-2024 season. Americanu197 (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He played one match for FCSB, the most popular Romanian team, in Liga I, the top-tier football league. The other games played in the second-tier which is also a professional one. Not a well-known young player, but still I think it is notable enough. Acid Mammoth (talk) 18:58, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As tragic as his death is (at this age), there is absolutely no reason having an entry of him in this encyclopedia; in other words, a guy died untimely. Sadly, but that is it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:C70C:F200:28FB:1DF2:8D5F:1671 (talk) 04:56, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
GiantSnowman Fixed. I didn't know if an equivalent to that existed so I went with it. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 16:43, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The only argument is WP:SPORTSCRIT. GiantSnowman 18:38, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Connect (insurance company) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No evidence of notability in the article, spam Polygnotus (talk) 20:08, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Women's Premier League (Cricket) awards (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio 07:13, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kotaro Kume (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unquestionably fails WP:SPORTCRIT by a large margin. Never played a single league match above the fourth tier in Japan. Kept before for reasons that are no longer valid; for appearing in a single cup match - the guidelines that were applied no longer exist. As Kotaro Kume barely had any football career, there is no significant coverage either. The Japanese Wikipedia is filled with primary routine sources and a Gekisaka match report from an adolescents' game. Geschichte (talk) 06:15, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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All of the mentioned links refer to something about the same country. I don't think this is a valid disambiguation page, unlike Guinea (disambiguation) where it could be 3 different countries in Africa. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 04:29, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I can't see any basis for this page. It just appears to be a list of related pages, none of which could be confused with the country. Greenman (talk) 07:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, thanks for informing me about this. Someone improved the article one hour ago; it is real that the article is in fact useless since we already have Guinea (disambiguation), so, yes, deleting or improving the page will be useful for Wikipedia. If you delete it, please make a redirect to the page Guinea (disambiguation). Thanks. QwertyZ34 (talk) 09:57, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. For some outlooks, the page is useful, its content is more—principaly about sport teams, and someone improved it recently. You can check it. QwertyZ34 (talk) 10:01, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keat Hwa Centennial Celebrations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article is written with WP:PROMO style and does not meet notability since it is a local school anniversary event. The article also contains the same contents in the main article section of the event. Syn73 (talk) 04:19, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Ong Kai Jin since he challenged the previous PROD. Syn73 (talk) 04:21, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Also not notable. He didn't win any medals, he didn't do something important. He's just an ordinary cricketer who played for a club. Also very stub like and I could not find any information googling his name. In fact I only found other people with the exact same name. Hence why I nominate this article for deletion. DotesConks (talk) 04:07, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is Kent County Cricketers A to Z a sufficiently reliable source given that it was put together by the ACSH? Bobo. 06:41, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. No policy cited, at most implied. No indication whatsoever of a WP:BEFORE. Snow also applies. Keeping this debate open will do no good and only waste Wikipedia resources. (non-admin closure) gidonb (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Holland Norway Lines (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is not notable. Its just a random ferry company. There really isn't anything unique or special to this ferry business. It being bankrupt further proves its not notable as it won't have any activity in the near future. DotesConks (talk) 04:06, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Piero Ferracuti (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable at all. Former swimmer, only known for competing at the 1972 Olympics. He didn't even win, get a silver medal, or even a bronze one. The article is 2 sentences long. I'm not sure how this was accepted. DotesConks (talk) 03:53, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and the creator is someone who was site banned by an ArbCom ruling over specifically creating stub articles that have less than 500 words in them. DotesConks (talk) 04:00, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Jessica Sarah Flaum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article has sources but not a single one treats the subject other than passing mentions of her as a member of a cast. A further search reveals only primary sources and a raft of social media entries. Fails both points of WP:NACTOR. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:26, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Fails both points of WP:NACTOR." according to the nominator? What points? How does she fail them if her roles are significant and the productions, notable? -Mushy Yank. 15:44, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Stub with no evidence of notability. Player has made 4 substitute appearances at J3 League level. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 02:34, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:BLP1E. Previous AfD from 2014 only considered mentions in news coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 02:19, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rural BC Party (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:ORG. Weak coverage in secondary sources consisting entirely of pre-election speculation from local papers and routine governmental records. Accordingly, most of the existing content consists merely of the party leadership's intentions, which they did not follow through on. The party fielded one candidate in one election and received only 0.04% of the popular vote (754 votes). There is no claim of long lasting notability. Yue🌙 01:33, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:ORG. Defunct provincial party that achieved insignificant results in the elections it contested, never garnering more than a hundredth of a percent of the popular vote or one percent in any riding. A search through Google and provincial archives returned no in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Of the three sources currently present in the article, one is an article that mentions a candidate in passing, one is a governmental list of registered parties that does not establish notability, and the other is a party press release published in a now defunct self-published news site. Yue🌙 01:24, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

British Columbia Patriot Party (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:ORG. Defunct provincial party that achieved insignificant results in the elections it contested, never garnering more than a hundredth of a percent of the popular vote or half a percent in any riding. A search through Google and provincial archives returned no in-depth coverage in reliable sources. The news sources given are routine coverage that neither focus on the party nor describe it in detail. All the other sources are standard governmental reports that do not establish the party's notability. Yue🌙 01:20, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. It has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject (National Post, Vancouver Sun, Vernon Morning Star, Penticton Western News). The article is not "abusing Wikipedia for advertising and promotion" as the party is long defunct. I started the article, but have no connection to the party or its organizers, and have never lived in British Columbia. Ground Zero | t 01:44, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps the automated notice template described the article as "abusing Wikipedia for advertising and promotion", but certainly that is not the argument I am making. I contend that the coverage in those papers is minor and not in-depth, a comparison being the creation of articles for every failed candidate mentioned in those same articles. Yue🌙 18:51, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Support – per nom. Routine mentions of a party contesting an election are not in-depth, substantive coverage. —Joeyconnick (talk) 18:23, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Mike Solana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG. This podcaster has gained some attention due to his friendship with Elon Musk, but I don't see him being notable.

  • [9] the sole RS in the article
  • [10] WP:BUSINESSINSIDER (this is BI tech, not the generally reliable BI culture)
  • [11] The information in this source is not independent from the subject, 90% of its content is just Solana talking about his own opinions and experiences (that is basically the definition of a WP:PRIMARY source).
  • [12][13] These sources only discuss the opinions Jack Dorsey voiced on Solana's podcast, they present no WP:SIGCOV of or say anything about Solana.
  • [14][15] Only brief mentions of Solana. Badbluebus (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak Delete First, I've seen no evidence in this article or anywhere else that this person has ever met Elon Musk, let alone has a "friendship" with him except, I suppose, in an abstract way in which everyone from Silicon Valley is friends with everyone else? In any case, to evaluate notability:
The Atlantic: 27 paragraph biographical profile on the person that is the subject of this article from a generally reliable outlet [16]
Reason: 5 paragraph biographical profile on the person that is the subject of this article from a generally reliable outlet (these 5 paragraphs, in the publication's voice, appears prior to a longer, Q&A style interview)
Business Insider: Mentioned by name 23 separate times from a no consensus outlet, with significant biographical information included, albeit not a "profile" in the form of the above two
→ Brief (1-2 sentence) mentions in the Los Angeles Times, Engadget, and Inc. inclusive of biographical tidbits (i.e. more than a drop quote)
This is basically like one mildly substantial piece of coverage away from tipping into being unambiguously notable. That said, if there's even the slightest moment of hesitation on a BLP we should, in my opinion, delete first and ask questions later. This may be a rare case of a person who is obviously a public figure -- someone who, to quote Lewis F. Powell Jr., has "thrust himself into the forefront of public controversies" -- but isn't notable for our purposes. Chetsford (talk) 02:50, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Would recommend deleting. I tried adding some more context, but at the end of the day I believe this page isn't warranted as the individual is quite insignificant. Ketlag (talk) 20:29, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - being a CMO is just a fancy title for an employee that can be put on paperwork - knowing Elon Musk isnalso worthless as far as notability and i see absolutely jack about this person that would even meet the bare minimum standards for any guideline. CUPIDICAE❤️ 20:12, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Peter Creek (Missouri) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Seems like a small and unimportant stream. Refs appear to be minor features on a map. Nothing to suggest that the notability standards for inclusion have been met JMWt (talk) 20:25, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Apar Industries (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in WP:LISTED (or any other) case. Fails to meet WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI. Apart from that, activities like stock prices, establishing subsidiaries, lubricant product launches, actor endorsement deals, etc., are merely routine coverage, regardless of where they are published WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 15:12, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. This is a Fortune 500 and NIFTY 500 company and highly likely to have coverage in secondary independent sources. In addition to the in-depth sources provided by the above editor, my searches yield analyst commentary[20], independent reporting[21][22][23], and critical reports by independent analysts[24][25]. These sources are more than enough to establish notability under WP:NCORP.Chanel Dsouza (talk) 09:59, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I made the same error in evaluating a company solely based on analyst reports at Senco Gold's AFD.
    In this 2, although the research analyst has no financial stake in the company, Apar Industries is part of Capitalmind's Premium Portfolios, as disclosed at the bottom of the article, which funded the report. Therefore, it cannot be considered entirely independent. In the other analyst report 3 & 9 - both points to same link, it is explicitly stated on the last page, in the third paragraph from the bottom, that IDBI Capital (the entity that commissioned the report) or its associates may have received compensation from the company in the past 12 months. Also, they may have managed or co-managed a public offering for the company within the same period. These disclosures indicate potential conflicts of interest, making the report as an invalid source. Charlie (talk) 17:12, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The other references are simply movements in stock prices and their coverages by brokers. 4, 5, 6 & 7 - both points to same link, and 8 Charlie (talk) 17:16, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Based on the sources provided by fellow editors, this is a major manufacturing company and definitely meets NCORP criteria. Baqi:) (talk) 13:54, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: As of now, I agree with the nominator on the deletion unless better sources are provided that cover the company in-depth and independently, ideally meeting the WP:HEYMANN standard if possible. The references currently on the page, as well as those shared in this AFD, do not fully meet the guidelines. Charlie (talk) 17:27, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Donya Dadrasan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Procedural nomination. This was tagged for prod, but because the tagger formatted the template incorrectly (they added the tag manually and thus didn't date it) it got left out of the prod queue and not deleted even after the seven-day prod period expired, but then somebody else came along later and backdated the prod template to the time of its original addition, thus generating a redlinked dated-maintenance category that no longer exists because everything else in it had already been deleted.
So, since the process mistakes left the page unaddressed, but I'm obviously not going to recreate an already-deleted dated-maintenance category just for this, it needs to come to a wider discussion.
The prod tagger's stated rationale, for the record, was "This article does not meet the guidelines for notability", and the article does seem to be staking her claim to notability on YouTube views and internet radio airplay rather than WP:NMUSIC criteria, but I leave it to consensus to decide, and have no opinion other than fixing a process error. Bearcat (talk) 15:52, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This article does not meet the criteria for notableness. The mere existence of a few authoritative articles is not a reason for an article to be on Wikipedia, because this person does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notableness and this article was created for promotional purposes. Araghsagi (talk) 20:48, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Merely having a few articles in a few reputable news outlets is not a criterion for retention! This article does not meet the criteria for being noteworthy as a reader and was previously marked for deletion. Please remove it as soon as possible. Unfortunately, it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for being notable. Araghsagi (talk) 08:39, 9 March 2025 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote Liz Read! Talk! 00:47, 11 March 2025 (UTC))[reply]
Delete: I have a close relationship with this reader and I am aware that he paid someone to write this article for him. This article is for promotional purposes. Ali282872 (talk) 08:43, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:NCORP. This article has been deleted multiple times here. Creator is a WP:SPA and we have had a lot of promotional edits where even the company itself tried to edit this page. Even now the article looks like a promotional piece. I see there a quite a few pieces from Ottawa Citizens which are basically PR pieces that are largely interviews with the founders and little independent in-depth content that would pass the WP:SIRS criteria. Imcdc Contact 08:51, 1 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • I found a Globe and Mail article HERE but it's behind a paywall. The Google blurb says "Opinion: UNLOCKING INDIA'S PROMISE ...He and his partner Mike Manson have helped arrange several deals through their Taraspan Group, which is part of IT entrepreneur Terence Matthews ...". Maybe someone with a subscription could check it out. —Anne Delong (talk) 21:52, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because the article was not originally written from a neutral point of view, it was sent to WP:AFC and went through the vetting process there, so it should be judged by its own merits and not because of its initial unacceptable state. The Ottawa Citizen is a respected daily newspaper, publishing since at least 1851. I tried to look at those news articles, but only one of the links still works. I found a second one in a paywalled archive. I'm the one who added them as references, and although I don't remember what they said, I assure you that I wouldn't have included them unless each one was (1) written by a reporter, and (2) contained some information in the words of that reporter, that supported facts in the Wikipedia article. Imcdc, if you were able to read the other three articles, can you please link to where you found the text?—Anne Delong (talk) 23:15, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I will post the archive and working links for viewers to see and decide if WP:NCORP is supported.
    Globe and Mail (1 and 2) Both are mainly about Raj Narula first and have a significant portions quoting him which hurts independence. Removing these there is not much in-depth about Taraspan itself. Seems like a PR piece.
    Ottawa Citizen (1 and 2) Focus is on co-founders. Also again there are independence concerns. (3 and 4) Brief mention of company - Imcdc Contact 13:48, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Container Bob (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Looks like a WP:BLP1E fail to me; this was a fairly short news story in 2001, which is made mildly more interesting by some post-9/11 hysteria but still doesn't get any lasting or other notability. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:14, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep. WP:BLP1E C1-2 are clearly met, but I'm concerned about C3 as it seems like his role in the incident was substantial and well-documented. There was some additional coverage in 2002[26][27] and 2006[28]. He's also mentioned in some government reports (both US and Canada) and scholarly articles[29] about maritime / shipping container security, and in an article (not in-depth coverage of him) in 2014.[30] Zzz plant (talk) 00:57, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment all the sourcing says container boy. This seems to be maybe notable (maybe convert into an event article?) is there a reason we're calling this Bob or is this a 13 year uncorrected typo? PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:01, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Huh! Maybe that's what made source searching difficult, but I'm still not convinced by the sources above to meet the even higher NEVENT bar. The first three are opinion columns, government reports usually don't confer notability, a mention might but i don't see any new facts, and shallow coverage doesn't confer notability. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:16, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Like, if this is "substantial and well-documented" coverage, most flash-in-the-pan news stories would pass BLP1E. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:17, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hence why I did not vote as I didn't check myself for notability. Just saying "maybe". Just noting the typo. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:57, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PARAKANYAA, you speak French to a certain extent, right? Because of the Canadian connection I've found vague references to a few French-language sources. I've only been able to get to two so far, because my computer is going through a bit of an anglophone phase, but do you reckon there's anything usable in these? [31][32] The second one is about a novel by Nicolas Dickner, so obviously unusable for facts, but might point to the event still being referenced by popular media over ten years later. Depending on what it says, of course.
Also sorry, theleekycauldron, but I've added some more modern/academic sources that I think are okay, so I'm making you do the source analysis all over again. I'm kind of with you that I'm not completely convinced this should be a standalone article, but given all the passing mentions over ten years on, the lack of a good merge target, and the fact that this information does seem useful to have somewhere... I'm torn. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 10:52, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Yellow Rat Bastard (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article has basically been ghostwritten by a person representing Yellow Rat Bastard. The business is not very notable (very few people know of its existence, even for the people who walk by Broadway every day) and from the image, it seems like a local mom and pop shop, which is clearly not notable. The creator of the page is a user account User:Shadowlurker112 which has made 3 edits, and all of them to this article. Clearly a promotional account. In recent times, an editor User:YRBNewYork has also edited the article and was blocked because of failing to disclose COI and their username was promotional. I fail to see how this is notable in anyway, plus on top of the fact that promotional accounts have ghostwritten the entire article leads me to nominating this for deletion. DotesConks (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Checca sauce (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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First of all, the title of the page is incorrect because "checca sauce" seems to be unknown in Italy, and in fact the article immediately refers to the pasta dish, namely pasta alla checca (https://www.cucchiaio.it/ricetta/pasta-checca/). Coming to the point, we had previously deleted the pages pasta all'ortolana and bomba calabrese because they weren't encyclopedic; I propose to do the same thing with this article. JacktheBrown (talk) 04:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]