Talk:Gospel of Luke

Christology (Luke 3:22)

"where virtually all the earliest witnesses have God saying, "This day I have begotten you."[41]Ehrman 1996, p. 66." What earliest sources are these?

• P4, Vaticanus, Sinaiticus, Alexandrinus, Washingtonianus have "well pleased".
• P75, P45, Borgianus do not contain the passage.

The only relatively early text I found with "begotten" is Bezae.

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Citing Ehrman

Ehrman's argument about Luke 3:22 is fringe. It is only attested in one manuscript although also used by some Church Fathers.

Joseph Fitzmyer argues the passage was changed to the "today I have begotten thee" because of its parallel to Psalm 2:7. Divus303 (talk) 16:23, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what it actually means. Does it mean "what Luke originally wrote" or does it mean "what was originally spoken"? StAnselm (talk) 16:27, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Ehrman argues that later scribes, in accordance with dogmatic theology, changed the reading of Luke 3:22 to "with you I am pleased," and that it originally had a more Adoptionist reading. Divus303 (talk) 16:30, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Well, he's just flat wrong about "virtually all the earliest witnesses". Yes, delete all the text relying on that reference (i.e. from "An important example". It's not an important example.) StAnselm (talk) 16:32, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not as WP:FRINGE as you think, see e.g. this. tgeorgescu (talk) 23:29, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Fringe

I have reverted some WP:FRINGE edits. Here is why:

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psstein • 16 days ago

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I don't know if I'd call Blomberg an outright apologist, though he frequently writes with an apologetic slant or purpose. He strikes me as part of the conservative evangelical scholarly ecosystem that really only talks to itself. Scholars like Blomberg are not publishing in the leading journals or with major presses.

Very broadly speaking, if you're routinely publishing with academic or respected religious publishers (e.g. Eerdmans, Fortress, Eisenbrauns) and have articles appear in mainstream journals (CBQ, JSNT), you're much less likely to be an apologist.

See the evidence quoted at User:Tgeorgescu/sandbox3. The mainstream academic view is that the NT gospels are fundamentally anonymous.

I don't say that conservative evangelicals should not get WP:CITED, but they do not speak for the mainstream academia. Conservative evangelical scholars generally do not write mainstream history about the Bible and Christianity. So, while their views are theology, such views do not amount to history. tgeorgescu (talk) 17:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Reddit is not a reliable source. StAnselm (talk) 18:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Actually read tgeorgescu's list of sources instead of dismissing his comment outright. Dimadick (talk) 18:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Unexpected Faith: Luke's Focus on Marginalized Voices and Women

The Gospel of Luke is full of unexpected responses to Jesus, often showing the least likely people expressing faith. Unlike other Gospels, Luke highlights many stories about women and marginalized individuals, emphasizing that God’s kingdom is for everyone, regardless of background or status. As a Gentile, Luke himself serves as an example of someone unexpectedly coming to Jesus, possibly drawing from memories thought to come from Mary, who "treasures these things in her heart."

In Luke 4:24-27, Jesus uses the example of Gentiles responding positively while Israel rejects Him, pointing out how God sent His prophets to Gentiles—specifically, the widow of Zarephath and Naaman the Syrian. Jesus calls out Israel's rejection and highlights Gentiles as models of faith. Similarly, in Luke 13:28-30, Jesus teaches that many Israelites who expect to enter God's kingdom will be left out, while Gentiles from all directions will sit at the table with Abraham, showing that entry into God's kingdom is based on faith, not heritage. (, )

The response of the unlikely contributes to Luke being "the Gospel of Amazement" as Michael Card calls it in his book.

Luke also emphasizes stories such as that of the Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37), who shows mercy when others don't, exemplifying implicit faith through actions of love and compassion. The Tax Collector (Luke 18:9-14) demonstrates explicit faith by humbling himself and seeking mercy, acknowledging his sin and trusting in God’s forgiveness. The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32) shows implicit faith in returning home, trusting in his father’s mercy. The Centurion (Luke 7:1-10) displays explicit faith, believing in Jesus' power to heal without being present. The Criminal on the Cross (Luke 23:39-43) expresses explicit faith in his final moments, recognizing Jesus’ innocence and asking for mercy. (, , , , )

However, not all responses to Jesus are positive. In Luke 4:28-30, when Jesus speaks about Gentiles being more responsive than Israel, His hometown crowd becomes enraged and tries to throw Him off a cliff. This rejection is a stark contrast to the acceptance of the marginalized and outsiders.

Luke’s Gospel also gives significant attention to Women Followers (Luke 8:1-3, 23:49, 55-56), who play key roles in supporting Jesus’ ministry and bearing witness to His resurrection. Despite cultural norms, these women show implicit faith in their unwavering trust and commitment to Jesus. (, ) Overall, Luke’s Gospel features more stories about women than Matthew, Mark, and John combined, challenging societal norms and emphasizing that Jesus’ message is for all people, regardless of gender, status, or background. Luke's Gospel features more than twice as many stories about women compared to Matthew and Mark, and four times more than John.

R.C. Sproul referred to the Gospel of Luke as the "Ladies' Home Journal of the Bible" in his sermon on Luke's genealogy of Jesus.

This is consistent with the views of theologians like Francis Schaeffer who said “As there are no little people in God’s sight, so there are no little places” ), .

“Luke is the Gospel of the underdog, where the marginalized are lifted up, and the overlooked find their place at the table of grace.” – Anonymous 2603:8080:AE00:1615:5C3:1F8D:CB67:483D (talk) 18:12, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

If you're asking for this to be added to the article, unfortunately we are an encyclopedia that does not publish original research. Remsense ‥ 论 18:21, 26 March 2025 (UTC)