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Discussion for Today

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_March_26

March 26

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Dinosaurs of the United States

Propose merging Category:Dinosaurs of the United States to Category:Dinosaurs of North America

Nominator's rationale: merge, anachronistic category, the United States did not exist yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ethiopian microbiologists

Propose merging Category:Ethiopian microbiologists to Category:Microbiologists

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:Ethiopian biologists.

Also propose merging: Category:Palestinian microbiologists with Category:Microbiologists. Category:Ethiopian biologists. LibStar (talk) 04:28, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Presumably the latter to be merged to Category:Palestinian biologists rather than to Category:Ethiopian biologists. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Africa (Roman province)

Propose renaming

Category:4th-century people of Africa (Roman province) (1) to Category:4th-century people of Roman North Africa
Category:5th-century people of Africa (Roman province) (6) to Category:4th-century people of Roman North Africa
Category:6th-century people of Africa (Roman province) (2) to Category:4th-century people of Roman North Africa
Category:Saints from Roman Africa (province) (19) to Category:Saints from Roman North Africa ("From" is important here to differentiate from saints venerated in North Africa.)

Propose split of Category:People of Roman North Africa from Category:People from Africa (Roman province) (8).

Nominator's rationale: As previously discussed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 17#Category:3rd century in Africa (Roman province), there was no Roman province of Africa after about 300 CE. Most of the contents of these categories are after that date. I'm following the parent category's name fo Category:Roman North Africa, although Roman Africa would be a viable option, akin to the Category:4th century in Roman Africa naming scheme. Daask (talk) 00:17, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment' What is being considered as "Africa" here? If it isn't the Roman province, then using the term "Roman Africa" could be construed to be anything on the continent of Africa, and not just the region of the province. Thus the proposed name is highly ambiguous. Roman Libya and Roman Africa also engender confusion, as Rome called the continent Libya (Ancient Libya]), and there was also provinces called Libya, and our article on Roman Africa is not the same scope as the categories being proposed to be renamed -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 00:31, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@65.92.246.77: Good question. I'll repeat the relevant remarks from the prior discussion:
in Diocletian's administrative reforms (sometime between 284–305 CE), Africa (Roman province) was split into Africa Zeugitana, Africa Byzacena, and Africa Tripolitania. In 314 CE, these provinces were grouped together along with almost all Roman provinces on the African continent in the Diocese of Africa. Thus there essentially was no Roman province named just "Africa" in the 3rd-5th centuries. With my rename proposal, I suggest the new category scope includes all Roman and Byzantine-controlled areas on the African continent.

I was imagining Category:Roman North Africa as the parent category, and not using any political unit emic to the period, since these changed too frequently for categorization purposes. Daask (talk) 00:43, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For reference, Diocese of Africa exists 314-439 CE, Praetorian prefecture of Africa exists 534–591 CE, Exarchate of Africa exists 591–698 CE. Daask (talk) 00:57, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So, this would include Roman Egypt? In this case I think it would be better to call it "Roman North Africa", to dispense with terms that may be confused with entities that existed called "Africa" under Roman rule. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:41, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alt rename using "Diocese of Africa" per article title Diocese of Africa. Note that Egypt has never been part of Africa during the Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rename using "Roman Africa". It's as good a choice as "North Africa", since the Romans wouldn't have used that terminology, and readers who don't know that Egypt was never included in Roman Africa won't distinguish Egypt from "North Africa" either; thus there is no advantage to "North Africa". The alternative proposal, "Diocese of Africa", would be inaccurate for at least half the period covered, and add a potential layer of confusion due to the use of "Diocese" as an ecclesiastical designation. P Aculeius (talk) 12:32, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment We have to be clear what we mean here. Is it Roman people from Africa (including people from Egypt) or is it people from a specific place under Roman control?★Trekker (talk) 13:10, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It would be very confusing to expand Roman Africa to Roman Egypt while Romans did not. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe anybody suggested doing so. "Roman Africa" doesn't normally include Egypt, though "North Africa" usually does, which is why "Roman North Africa" might be confusing. There's a simple way to address this, though it won't necessarily eliminate all mistakes: mention on the category page that "Roman Africa" excludes Egypt, which was a separate province at all periods of Roman history. That won't prevent editors from mistakenly including persons from Egypt, but it will provide guidance for anyone who checks the category first, and for pruning it when people are mistakenly included. P Aculeius (talk) 20:07, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, then Roman Africa is clearly preferable over Roman North Africa indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not seeing consensus on rename target, but clear consensus for a rename. I will also tag the categories.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 04:17, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pages related to the WikiProject meta banner

Propose merging Category:Pages related to the WikiProject meta banner to Category:Subtemplates of WPBannerMeta

Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Not likely to have anything else in the future; {{WPBannerMeta}} is a historical template after it was Lua-fy-ed. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 03:58, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge somewhere per nom. I have no opinion about the merge target. (I am just noting that the proposed merge target is not the parent category.) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Micronesian explorers of the Pacific

Propose merging Category:Micronesian explorers of the Pacific to Category:Explorers of the Pacific

Nominator's rationale: only member of the category Anagumang isn't defined as being Micronesian ^SMason_Garrison 03:17, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. The article still remains in Category:People from Yap State which probably is as good as it can get. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Scottish explorers of the Pacific

Propose splitting Category:Scottish explorers of the Pacific to Category:British explorers of the Pacific and Category:Scottish explorers

Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. underpoplated category ^SMason_Garrison 03:03, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Mission mission stations in Ongandjera

Propose merging Category:Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Mission mission stations in Ongandjera to Category:Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Mission mission stations in Ovamboland

Nominator's rationale: underpopulated category with only one page in it ^SMason_Garrison 03:00, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. There is no Category:Ongandjera to merge to. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Samoan people by century and occupation

Propose merging Category:Samoan people by century and occupation to Category:Samoan people by occupation

Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. this category is redudant ^SMason_Garrison 02:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Sarta

Propose merging Category:People from Silat al-Harithiya to Category:People from Jenin Governorate
Propose merging Category:People from Sarta to Category:People from Salfit Governorate
Propose merging Category:People from Deir Ballut to Category:People from Salfit Governorate
Propose merging Category:People from Rafat, Salfit to Category:People from Salfit Governorate
Propose merging Category:People from Yasuf to Category:People from Salfit Governorate

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Each of these categories is a village, and only has 1 person in it. ^SMason_Garrison 01:03, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]